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Feb 11Liked by Lisa Woudenberg, Michael Woudenberg

It is a complex thing to write a piece with another person. The blending of two voices and two points of views. Incredible work on this post. The narrative itself embodies the themes you are writing about, or is that too meta?

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Feb 11Liked by Lisa Woudenberg, Michael Woudenberg

We need balanced chaos, freedom of choice and kindness

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Feb 12Liked by Lisa Woudenberg, Michael Woudenberg

It is interesting to note that the cultural definition of man or woman revolves around “successful.” It may be useful to remind ourselves that success defined in Western culture revolves around one’s ability to do commerce. In a white collar world, this negates the males’ physical attributes, and the competitive field is now even between the genders. As we enter a new era of robotics and AI, we may see a society where “working-for-a-wage” may no longer be necessary. It then begs the question, what should the male or female human experience ideally be?

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Feb 11Liked by Lisa Woudenberg, Michael Woudenberg

I’m reminded of David Deida, whom I’ll revisit, on the masculine and feminine, and I’m curious to know more about how you support the goddess/feminine in child rearing. It also reminds me of a quote of Caroline Myss, that I happened upon yesterday that says, “Chaos is divine order. Change is divine order.” Maybe slightly off topic lol.

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Feb 11Liked by Lisa Woudenberg, Michael Woudenberg

I really like the idea of a balance of order (structure) and chaos (creativity). I'm left unconvinced that either of these things has any connection whatever to biological sex, but I read this much more as an analogy, not a literal "men do order well, women don't" kind of thing. In my personal experience, women can be much more structured than men, and men can be much more chaotic than women.

The balance of chaos/order is interesting in the context of LLMs, too. AI is such a great proxy for thinking about ourselves.

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Feb 11Liked by Lisa Woudenberg, Michael Woudenberg

excellent post!

Ironically I am working on a Duality series..And the first one is Chaos and Order...no plagiarism it all but eerily similar to this article.

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Feb 11Liked by Lisa Woudenberg, Michael Woudenberg

Wonderful piece Michael. Society today is obsessed with dichotomy and neglects nuance. Chaos and order are not in contradiction with one another, they are compliments, necessary parts of the whole.

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Feb 11Liked by Lisa Woudenberg, Michael Woudenberg

Great post.

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Feb 11Liked by Michael Woudenberg

There is so much to say about this...and it is so difficult to express.

The masculine type of being creative; move fast and break stuff, is not the feminine creative force at all. It is the water that is the active, flowing part. Not the glass used as a hammer. So much is rooted so deeply. Why does fragility need to be countered? Is it bad? Or might it exactly be what this artificially overly ordered human construct needs? More surrender, less fighting. This very feminine moving along with while being the ultimate power to reshape even the most hardened glass. Fragility is a superpower too.

Would love to see more hymns on the good and the beauty of chaos. Because if we do not seek the chaotic voluntarily, it will come to flood our houses while sleeping....

Loving how you made this a co-creation, please keep going.

Have just published a piece on colour which explores the two perspectives of light and matter. Very similar to water and glass. Might be interesting to read it with this post in mind.

https://bertus.substack.com/p/the-colour-scheme

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