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Jared Bruder's avatar

I was wondering when you were going to tell us what the fish could do… and breaking the dam is the perfect analogy. Maybe the monkeys climbing the tree were trying to see far and wide what the problem was, but we’re not able to see under the water where the true problem was. Interesting how water is also mythologically used as chaos, creativity, and potential. Keep breaking dams so the water flows clear!

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

Is a fish my spirit animal like the wolf is yours? 🤣👊🏼

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Will Haas's avatar

Nailed it!

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Will Haas's avatar

I liked to have people who thought differently and pushed back. We had great conversations and you and your team were highly successful.

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

Haha. You're one of the few who saw me for the fish I was and appreciated that. You were an amazing manager and mentor and I thank you for that!

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Michelle Reyes's avatar

I’m new to the term polymathic. But I do appreciate your analysis of diversity. In my own teaching & coaching, I’ve found that folks are hard to convince with #s. Personal experience is required. Have you see this too?

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

Absolutely it's a blend on data and experience. The challenge is that different personalities require different mixes of the two. And Polymathy is an aspiration. In a world that values experts and specialization, it's a boon and a bane.

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Lynn Marie DePippo's avatar

Ahh...Michael....I know you are secretly a shapeshifting fish....You can't fool me...that way you can relate better to people and understand them better by getting in touch with your inner monkey, by seeing where their gifts are (even if they do not know yet), what they do vs what they say, how to empower...that is not just a fish...You can't figure out how to empower a diverse group of people in a high functioning way without a few bruises and the curse of not fitting in. Yes, thanks for the post. I relate to the attacks. I have had more than the normal amount myself..and never understood why for many years.

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

Shape-shifting is certainly a skill but you can’t change the core of who you are. Let’s just say, the image of the fish with hands is apropos. 😆

It’s not even that we are super unique… just different. We understand this with personality proclivities but then seem to think everyone should act the same. Such a weird situation.

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Alan Freshwater's avatar

I have seen fish climbing trees. The fish were mudskippers and the trees were mangroves!

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

I mean, we can do it.... It's just not typically normal! 😆

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R.E. Holding's avatar

Oof relatable. I've been in trouble too many times in corporate America for this.

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

Nice. The divergent thinkers of the world!

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Wyrd Smythe's avatar

Long before I retired from Corporate American, this fish recognized that 'thinking outside the box' is highly prized but usually punished.

That said, some jobs do require the ability to climb trees.

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

We absolutely need monkeys. And I agree. Prizes and punished.

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Bette A. Ludwig, PhD 🌱's avatar

OMG Michael, I could relate to every bit of this. I’m definitely a fish too. I’m pretty sure a few of my former bosses would’ve preferred a fish fry over dealing with me constantly raising my hand like, ‘Wait a minute, but what about…

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

We are out there! But yeah, Fish Fry's are my fear! 🤣👊🏼

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Adam Karaoguz's avatar

Correct—not an Einstein quote—vintage Taylor Swift.

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

Quote inspector is my favorite!

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Tyrone Hanafey's avatar

Mmmm, great quotes (turns of phrases)in this article. I'm also very much a fish in most scenarios I've been in.

I do, however, from experience, note that too high a degree of diversity is very counter productive. Esp with a White -black mix.We really are too divergent on too many metrics. Diversity in this domain reliably introduce social conflict and loss of trust.

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

Thanks, I'd not ever say no to diversity but it is something that needs to be handled well. If it's not, then it'll never work out.

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Andrew Perlot's avatar

Great analogy.

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

Thanks. Stoics are certainly, if not a fish, certainly still not a monkey! 😀

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Troy Shideler's avatar

Great article Woot, I’ve been to a couple of those fish fries with you. I definitely agree that real diversity, diversity in thought is not usually welcome in Corporate America.

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

Awesome! And you certainly know who that manager was!!

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